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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  officers of the law have authority over citizens, and so can make reasonable demands of those citizens.

  Officers are citizens, and also public servants. They have no authority over the public *unless* someone is committing or suspected of committing a crime. Slamming someone to the ground and handcuffing them is only an appropriate response if someone is committing or suspected of committing a serious crime. Pretty obvious to anyone with eyes this was not the case

  What do you think should happen to the officer?

  Fired and tried for assault. The USA is so messed up no doubt people will praise him though
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  Respect is a two way deal - quite right. The officer only lost self-control because of the lack of respect shown to authority by multiple youths.

  Oh god, the lack of logic is baffling

  1) The officer was on a power trip demanding things of them, this shows disrespect

  2) A trained officer should have self control, discipline and be "the bigger person" when it comes to showing respect, more so than you can or should expect from a 13/14 year old child.

  3) There is a long history of police brutality, this will be a factor in any public perception, and therefore respect earned/showed. This is a factor far before this confrontation.

  Office Rambo starting off with a barrel roll and going in all guns blazing is hardly cultivating an atmosphere of mutual respect
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  Had the girl had some respect for authority from the outset and calmly complied with orders

  How do you expect anyone to have respect for someone that acts like that? Respect is a two way deal. That office deserves no respect, and it's little wonder the police as a whole don't have the respect of some people when so many of their members act so badly and with so little respect to the public
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  Generally if you violently assault someone and pull a gun on people you will be charged for it, there should be no exception here.

  Spot on!! People need to stop thinking Police have special rules, they are also humans, and they are public servants, they have no special rights over other humans.
  
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  So glad I don't live there! Seems such a nasty Orwellian, totalitarian police state - this isn't the first time this has been said on this thread. Yes, out-of-control police officers deserve to be punished. But can we please stop referring to the USA as a police state? Prime examples of real-life police states are North Korea and Saudi Arabia.

  Despite all the country's faults, US citizens enjoy freedoms that people in other countries can only dream about.

  The US is demonstratively an Orwellian Police state, the government actively spies on its citizens (and many other countries), records emails, internet activity, phone calls. The police regularly assault and kill people often for doing absolutely nothing wrong and then are defended by the brainwashed, ignorant masses.

  You say N. Korea is a police state, what is that based on? Anything other than Western Media propaganda? I'm not saying it isn't, but speaking to someone that lived there for many years they said it is nothing like it is portrayed.

  There are 10,000s of videos and countless more documentation of the US police state, so its far easier to draw a factual conclusion than somewhere like N. Korea which has little documented outside of the main stream media (which by definition, is almost always propaganda).
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  LOL Marvin, people emigrating from Mexico doesn't change the fact that most of the rest of the world looks at the USA as a far from desirable society. Where else can you be left on the sidewalk for dead by an ambulance if you don't have the right insurance. The american dream!
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  Yes Morpheus, the cops only go after The Bad Guys (TM), and all the videos constantly being posted of them shooting unarmed individuals repeatedly are just CGI. I am crazy, L!L!LLQLLALOLOL@%^@@^&@

  Enjoy yourself!
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  "You drive on public roads and I'm pretty sure the police can pull you over."

  Maybe in the US, in the UK they cannot unless they suspect you of a crime and have good reason (that they can back up) to do so.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  If in that instance you refused such an order, in the USA you'll more than likely find yourself being handled to the ground, and if you resist in the slightest you'll probably find yourself cuffed

  So glad I don't live there! Seems such a nasty Orwellian, totalitarian police state, I cannot understand why people are pro such a system.

  Have anyone defending the cop's actions thought that people don't obey them blindly as they have no respect for them. You have cops in america murdering people on an almost weekly basis these days, is it any wonder?

  
  
  
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  zombie dub

  So by your definition, criminals can just walk away and don't have to comply?

  Criminals, no, I have said repeatedly if someone is under arrest or being detained then they have to comply. If that person is not under arrest or being detained they are not a criminal. You are putting words in my mouth. What crime was a young girl in a bikini standing there committing? What makes her a criminal?

  
  

  She ignored repeated requests to move away and ignored / defied them. What are the police to do next - just throw up their hands

  Yup, move along, none of their business